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satw - britain, ireland, and france - medieval by aldohyeah satw - britain, ireland, and france - medieval by aldohyeah
here's the satw characters of britain, ireland, and france... in mediæval style!

usually they're wearing the flags we know today, but i'm drawing them with the royal banners they used to fly back in the old times.

england wears the royal standard of england (without the arms of ireland, and scotland combined in it) [link] . i gave him a crown because england claimed the rulership of scotland, wales, ireland, and even france as an inheritance from his anglo-norman ancestors.

france (on righthand side of england) wears the flag of mediaeval france [link] . i feel the need to include france, because her rivalry with england is always an epic story, like the story of william the conqueror and jeanne d'arc.

wales (on lefthand side of england) wears the "flag of gwynedd" [link]

scotland (the rightmost) is wearing the royal standard of scotland [link] , under a kilt (i don't know if it's called kilt; i always thought the kilt is like the one like a skirt). well, my only reference is the movie 'braveheart' :D , which includes the battle of stirling.. so that's why the pic of the uncoloured version of him [link] i called "the man from stirling".. hahahaha :D

ireland's (the leftmost) clothes are based on the coat of arms of ireland in the past [link] .. i don't think it's the flag of mediaeval ireland, but i like it. not quite a thorough research! :P


the colours are made to be rudimentary and outside the lines.. for a purpose... (bad excuse :P). not perfect but i hope you like it. :)




background is taken from this [link] page.

all scandinavia and the world characters belong to :iconhumon:
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don-jam Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
That Is So Bloody Cool!
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Caulaincourt Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2012
Ah, the good ol' days. Douce France...
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aldohyeah Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Student Artist
merci d'avoir commenté :)
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Caulaincourt Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
Ce fut mon plaisir
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paws4thot Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Comments from an actual Scot, about Scotland:-

1) He is wearing a philamohr (also great kilt, or just plaid) which is correct in period.
2) From your notes, you're thinking of the philabeag (or small kilt) as the "pleated skirt".
3) The philamohr would normally be worn over a shirt as illustrated, but the shirt would normally be of plain linen or cotton, rather than dyed with the colours of a standard.
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aldohyeah Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2012  Student Artist
thank you very much for the information. :)
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paws4thot Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2012
There's more:-
1) In period, clans would identify themselves by the pattern of their plaid (the origin of tartans), and frequently by a "device" (used in the heraldic meaning) on their cap or in their hair. This might be almost anything, including particular flower, or an identifiable specied of bird's feathers.
2) Like on your Scandanavian medievil characters, they would often carry a device (or representation of a clan badge) on their shields.
3) The origin of "nothing is worn under the kilt" is that they would often remove the philamohr before entering a planned battle, and attack wearing oly their shirts and devices.
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aldohyeah Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Student Artist
and as for a reply to the subject discussed here by *Karalora , ~Moschonn , and ~Telepfenion , from my own experience during my school years, history taught at school is mostly about our own country; about the migration of the mongoloid and austronesian race to the archipelago that will be the ancestors of all the ethnic groups in indonesia, the rise of hindu-buddhist kingdoms, rise of islamic kingdoms, european explorations of the archipelago, of how we became a dutch colony for almost 4 centuries, japanese expansion, post-independence era from 1945 to 1998, the 'reformation'. we don't study much about what happened across our seas.

what i studied about world history is: dawn of human civilization in egypt, babylonia, china, india, and sometimes about greece and rome. but all of those topics combined did not have more than 30 pages of discussion in the textbook. the school taught about the world war i & ii, too, but it didn't go much into detail.

i personally knew about the european history because of playing video games. i liked it, so i looked it up a little bit in school libraries, in encyclopaedias.

so if i made an inaccurate historical references, i hope you all will kindly tell me the right one. if i deliberately ignore the accuracy for my own pleasure :D, i will tell you in the description, just like what i did on ireland's clothes in this picture. :D

thank you very much guys! :D
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Triska Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student Photographer
Nice drawing. :)

One correction though. England's claim over France wasn't because kings of England have Guillaume le Conquérant as ancestor.

The story is this one, I let you shorten it. ;) in the beginning ot the 14th Century, Philippe 3 Le Bel had 4 living children: the eldest, Isabelle de France - also known in England as "French she-wolf" I believe - married to the king of England Eduard the 2nd, Louis, Philippe and Charles. When Philippe 3 died, the crown went to his eldest son, Louis. When Louis died, the crown went to his unborn son, who lived only a few days - supposed to have been poisoned. When Louis' son died, the crown went to Louis' first brother, Philippe, who died without sons. The crown went then to Charles. Who also died without sons.

Here's the trick: Philippe 4 le bel's crown had no direct heir, at list in France: the only living male among the king's descent was... Eduard, heir of the crown of England, who became Edouard 3 Plantagenêt.
However, the greatest lords of France would have hated to see France crown on an English head. So the Pairs of France decided to come back to one of the oldest traditions of France: the election of the king. And they elected Philippe 3's nephew as king - who's nickname was "le roi trouvé".

At first, the young and new king Eduard 3 vaguely protested and claimed France crown.
Several years have passed, and the king changed his mind and claimed again the crown. And declared war to obtain it.


So here's the story. Abridged. If you wanna know more, there's a story in 7 parts available : "the Cursed Kings" (Les Rois Maudits) by Maurice Druon. ;)


Another thing, another correction: the coat of arms isn't that one for England if you wanna keep France by his side: the coat of arm of England kings when they claim France crown is that one: [link] : "quarterly, I and IV azure semy-de-lis Or; II and III gules three lions passant guardant in pale Or armed and langued azure" at first, then - when the kings of France changed their own coat of arms": [link] : "quarterly, I and IV azure three fleur-de-lis Or; II and III gules three lions passant guardant in pale Or armed and langued azure".


Sorry, I'm very maniac about this part of history. XD
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aldohyeah Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Student Artist
i hope you're not offended by the shortness of my reply to your long comment, but thank you very much for the information, a very helpful addition to the page. :)
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